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>> jeopardize donald trump's presidency. that might put mike pence in the white house. this investigation keeps going e-little bit further, in this
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bob mueller may uncover information that's very compromising about mike pence as well. so of course he would like it to stop now. he's eyeing the oval office sburk that's not the way it works. this investigation is going to go at the pace that robert mueller determines is appropriate and the house and senate should be having investigations too in their house and judiciary committees. that's what they were doing in 1974 with less evidence than we have going on now, but the senate are not doing anything, so at that point the mueller investigation is on the game in town. >> i want to turn to reverend al sharpton. people know you for your work, journalism, and your civil rights record, but you are also a new york politico. we are seeing a lot of new york figures in rudy giuliani and meekle cohen all over this
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national news. look at the news today that rudy separated from his law firm over there. they won't condone payments made to stormy daniels. they disputed the way the quote was used but there's no dispute he's out. michael cohen. what is your analysis of the story line that cohen was not selling just his work, but his potential ability to make things happen inside the trump administration? >> i think that where the danger lies, which is why you say see an intensity in the trump allies trying to stop the investigation and what they need to get -- they being the mueller investigators on the southern district investigated is they need leverage on michael cohen to get him to cooperate if in fact he has some things to give on the president.
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well, if mr. cohen was representing to any of these companies, at&t, anything he could not deliver, then you're talking about he's exposed to defrauding people for their money, wire fraud, any number of things which again gives more leverage to talk about making a deal. >> now reporting this hour that at&t was under the impression they were getting help from michael cohen for the u.s. government approve a powerful merger. does that sound like michael cohen lying to the at&t or lobbying the trump administration? off the books? >> he was either lobbying off the books, which is illegal, or defrauding one of the companies, in this case, at&t, which gives them the leverage do come in and say, we have all this, mr. cohen. now, are there things you want
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to tell us? which would then cause the trump people to say, we knead to shut the down, because they're the only ones that may know what michael cohen may or may not know. not necessarily about this particular deal, but negligence. i think there is -- as you said in the destruction, some strange timing on some inappropriate statements by the vice president, so i agree that easy had a self-interest here, but he may not be saving his self-interest. he may be being told by those like the president, we need to start a drum beat to shut this down, because they may feel they are gathering enough pressure to make michael cohen say whatever it is he may say. we don't know whether that exists but clearly -- you're the lawyer here, ari, clearly they want the leverage, and this is leverage. >> i am a lawyer. i appreciate you saying that. >> not just on television.
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>> final thought richard? >> michael cohen is receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars from people all other the world who want to impress the president of the united states. we know about the stormy daniels payoff. we don't know how many others there. the question comes up of whether this is money that is directly or indirectly intended not just for michael cohen, but donald trump. whether there are payments in return for access to donald trump. we would think of that as bribe bribery, but for the fact that the strourt of the united states against the governor of virginia ruled it payment to money for access is not bribery, there has to be a quid pro quo. that's the theory menendez got off the hook. i think it's tragic that this is
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the message being sent to corporations. we are open for business. just send money to the president's personal lawyer and you're going get access to the president of the united states. most countries would appoint it as bribery. >> richard painter, you dig deep citing the u.s.-mcdonald case, an 8-1 decision. does make it harder to prosecute corruption. my thanks to richard painter. a special note about reverend sharpton. there's an important interview on criminal justice reform with the artist and rapper meek mill. it's airing this sunday. i want to tell our viewers about that. we will be watching for that. i turn to senator blumenthal. i want to talk to you about all of it. what strikes you as most important is this. >> what strikes me is two
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points. first of all, that statement by vice president pence is truly chilling. it is ominous, not only as to the special counsel, robert mueller, but also as to rod rosenstein, and i have begun to think that the threat to the deputy attorney general, who controls the magnitude and scope and timing of this investigation is as dire as it is to bob mueller. >> do you think mike pence is implying he cosigns that kind of move? >> it indicates he's one with the president, joined at the hip in feeling this investigation must be shut down. part of the impetus -- we have seen the president's reaction to that raid on michael cohen -- is that cohen is in big trouble. deepening trouble, and that means big and deepening trouble for trump. and what is emerging here is a picture of michael cohen as a
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key figure in donald trump's relationships to the russians. his involvement preelection, in contacts with the russians and now post election in receiving a payment from a russian oilgarch through a conduit. but at the very time he is going to donald trump in the oval office and dlif delivering a message about how lifting sanctions should be done. and then a written message to the security adviser, michael flynn about lifting sanctions. >> senator stay with me. i want to add a reporter, amy sorenson. she questions if michael cohen's llc was effectively a slush fund for donald trump. you have a turn of phase in here that's pretty striking. viewers are familiar with the tendency for us to discuss many
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developments in these stories as big or bombshells or turning points but this one does feel different because of the evidence of it, the money trail, which cannot be explained away. you don't mind if i read you, you, do you? >> just go ahead. >> tuesday's revelations felt a bit like the moment in november 1986 when it was revealed that the money from the reagan administration's secret sale of weapons to iran had been diverted to, all people, the nicaraguan contras, which was certainly an iron-contra turning point. explain. >> one thing that happens when you make a sale or a deal that you're not supposed to is you have cash and you need to put it somewhere. there's a moment -- i think oliver north described it as a neat idea that you can take this money from doing one thing you weren't supposed do and use it for something else you weren't supposed to do.
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at that point there were congressional limits on money that could be given to the contras. >> oliver north had a point in that two wrongs make a right. >> not exactly. it's an example of when you have this money around, how you launder the money. how you get the money from one place to another. that could make you do strange things like putting money from at&t in an account that's also used to pay for hush agreements -- >> bingo. you're talking about something that to the normal observer looks totally crazy. you open an account to pay stormy daniels in octoberment now you're putting other funds which look like a legitimate purpose in an account to pay off stormy daniels. it may be the bag. >> if he's the bag man -- essential consultants looks like the bag man.
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could be. maybe there's some less shady, or semishady explanations for it. but even if washington, access, paying people close to the president -- it's the president's attorney. if at&t thought michael cohen was going give them some cover, what about hem and his past and the president made them think this wasn't going to end up being a humiliating transaction. >> that goes to what bob mueller wants to ask president trump. senator, i'm going get your view and amy's on this. i'm reading from the leaked do you means which, again, look different today. this is a question that mueller wants to ask the president. what communication did you have with michael cohen, and others include, foreign nationals during the campaign? this question has a premise. essential consultants may not
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have been the first off the books container. may not have been the first bag that michael cohen was reaching for with shady money. >> michael cohen set this up right before the payment to stormy daniels. maybe he thought he had it laying around. there's one thing rudy giuliani said, one thing he said that was damaging to president trump. he said michael would take care of things like this, expenses for the president and that the president would make sure one way or the other -- >> somehow he got paid back. >> but who's paying whom? >> senator? >> ari, you're hitting a key area of inquiry, and robert mueller is following the money and he knows way more than we do. he was asking at&t and novartis questions back in november. michael cohen raised money from
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the russians way back when no one else would loan donald trump money. he was donald trump's emissary to the russians in trying to build that hotel in moscow. then he had contacts with the russians during the campaign. now we have evidence of a payment from victor that led michael cohen the approach donald trump in the office about lifting those sanctions against the russians. there's a pattern here. and you can well understand why they want to end this investigation, wrap it up, and that's why the senate needs to take action to protect the investigation. the bill is on the floor of the senate. mitch be an effort by the president to shut down the investigation. i think michael pence's recent remarks ought to end that kind of wishful thinking. >> an important point as well, interesting reporting on the bag. the bagman aspect of this. there's an old saying in court,
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throw it in the bag. >> it's a good one. >> senator, thank you as always as well for your time and insights. coming up, details on this puzzling relationship between michael cohen and someone else, the original attorney for stormy daniels that michael avenatti replaced. he may be cooperating with the feds and why trump had ratings on his mind when he came out with those freed hostages. >> i think you probably broke the all-time in history television rating for 3:00 in the morning, that i would say. >> what a weird thing to say. also tonight, ralph nader makes his maiden voyage on "the beat," and i have big questions for him from the mueller probe to corruption in the trump administration. i'm ari melber and you're watching "the beat" on msnbc. and you have the determination to keep going. humira has a proven track record of being prescribed for over ten years.
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daniels who's turned televised tormenting of trump into an endless legal art form. but here's where things get tricky. there are serious allegations that davidson is nothing like avenatti and that instead of zealously advocating for these women that he claimed to represent, that he was actually, secretly trying to help trump and undermine them. for example, karen mcdougal prevailed against "the national enquirer" and she alleges in court that this lawyer was a double agent for trump, v trump violating his duty. and engaging in secret interaction with her opponent. so the lawyer on the other side of the table from cohen is accused of colluding with cohen against mcdougal. davidson denies these charges. his spokesperson saying recently he strenuously denies any
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insinuation of unethical or inappropriate behavior. the state bar has previously suspended his law license. consider all of that history for a brand-new leak tonight from the very man who replaced davidson, michael avenatti. he reveals an e-mail that he says shows michael cohen was e-mailing davidson after the fbi raided cohen's offices seeking to coordinate how they could, quote, communicate. and asking about an apparent plan to work with abc news on a story. so that's a lot. bottom line, though, it's all about switching sides. question one, how did avenatti get that e-mail? question two, did davidson or cohen break any laws by conspiring to silence women about these claims about trump. and question three, if "the national enquirer" wanted to make a deal with mcdougal, why was michael cohen involved in the first place?
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i asked her lawyer about that, the one who came after davidson. here's what he said. >> why was michael cohen involved? >> i mean, it's the $64 million question. >> or is it the $130,000 question depending on the case? >> yeah, 150 in ours. i mean -- >> you don't know? >> we don't know, no. >> do you think it's nefarious? >> of course it's nefarious. >> david's replacement thinks it's nefarious and so does the former client. this is also a person who claimed to be opposed to cohen in that huge $1.6 million settlement involving another playboy model under a pseudonym which they say refers to a gop donor, but used by trump. this isn't the first time davidson found himself talking to the feds. he got mixed up involving a tape of hulk hogan bank rolled by trump donor peter thiel to
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bankrupt a website that thiel opposed. >> according to detectives, spice boy ten contacts a sex broker named keith davidson to engage in the extortion of hulk hogan. >> that's a lot. so whatever davidson did or didn't do, michael cohen still apparently believed it was worth trying to get cooperation from him and get in touch after the feds raided cohen's office. and there are allegations davidson did some cooperation with cohen to help trump. but the latest reports are that davidson, again, stormy's former lawyer, is cooperating now with the federal probe of cohen. so if you remember one thing from all this and you're keeping count, davidson allegedly went from helping stormy daniels to helping michael cohen, to helping the feds investigate michael cohen. which would mean he's doubling
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down on switching sides. turning now to our legal expert nick ackerman. would it be okay for a lawyer to decide to work with the opposing counsel against his client? >> of course not. totally unethical. >> is that something that the feds can use against mr. davidson? >> sure. i mean, i would think there's a criminal fraud involved. you know, depends on all the facts surrounding it, but it sure doesn't look good. >> would you say that he's amounting to be the polar opposite of mr. avenatti who everyone has now seen in the news as quite a vocal defender of stormy daniels? >> that's right. as a lawyer, you owe an undivided loyalty to your client. if there's any kind of conflict, even a potential conflict, you're obligated under the ethical rules to disclose that to your client. >> let me read from mcdougal's settlement, because she is the other playmate here that was basically victorious, she says. they have a statement, nothing in the agreement releases any
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claim that mcdougal has or may have against davidson or cohen. what does that mean? >> that means she can still sue davidson or cohen. she can go after them and sue them for damages -- >> in a new case? >> in a totally different case. all this does is settle between her and the publisher, but it does not settle with davidson or cohen. >> so you're helping clarify what's wrong with this in what davidson did. now let's take what the feds would want from him against cohen and trump. does he know things that could be detrimental to them? >> very possible. if they're using him for these particular matters, i mean, are they using him for other matters relating to the campaign, to the russians? what does he know? what did he deal with cohen on? cohen supposedly went to prague with three other people. who were the three other people? i'd want to be probing everything he knows about cohen's dealings and what he's doing on behalf of donald trump. >> and does davidson have any other option here, or does he
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have to cough it all up? >> i think he's gotta cough it all up. his law license is on the line. he's probably going to get disbarred. he's likely to get prosecuted for what he's done, double-dealing with a client. basic fraud. so i think they've got a hold on him and he's gotta cooperate. >> it's really fascinating and he's another one of these players, there are a lot of different moving pieces and donald trump keeps shaking up his own legal team. but the idea that basically the predecessor to michael avenatti is now cooperating with the feds because he was helpful to michael cohen, i mean, it's night and day and happening before our eyes. nick, thank you for helping us untangle some of it. up next, ralph nader is here. i'll ask him about the mueller probe and corruption. later, why donald trump was bragging about tv ratings. all of that when we're back in 60 seconds. farm-fresh and delic?
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donald trump campaigned against corruption. >> hillary clinton is an insider who fights only for her donors and for herself. we're going to end the clinton corruption and restore dignity and honesty to government service. >> government corruption and selling access, the exact allegation dogging trump's fixer right now, something he tried to pin on hillary clinton as well. >> she put the office of secretary of state up for sale. and if she ever got the chance, she'd put the oval office up for sale also. >> trump's defenders tonight say there's no direct evidence he knew about michael cohen's plots, but trump's certainly responsible for his own cabinet. his budget chief telling bankers that donations are the key to controlling the trump administration and he wouldn't talk to people who didn't give money, which is almost like a
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confession that access to trump's budget director can be bought. consider trump profits from his company which gets business right now from the rnc and foreign governments. one of the most experienced crusaders against money in politics, ralph nader, said trump's team is too profit-obsessed to consider the public interest. and trump said that kind of mind-set is why he attacks hillary clinton for using the u.s. government for profit. >> it's impossible to figure out where the clinton foundation ends and the state department begins. >> the clintons set up a business to profit from bubble office. >> everything you need to know about hillary clinton can be understood with that simple phrase -- follow the money. >> follow the money. now if michael cohen were a registered lobbyist with lawful clients, it could be legal for him to lobby his long-time client donald trump. the feds are investigating
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whether cohen's money is dirty, though, whether it reflects a secret slush fund. there's a term for that kind of capital, money so dirty that people are quiet about using it. now some people call that sh money. and in this trump investigation it's clearly time to follow the sh money. i'm joined by consumer advocate ralph nader, author of the book "breaking through power: it's easy why a easier than we think." an optimistic point for people who are concerned about this trump administration. what do you mean? >> what i mean, this regime is so corrupt it's the textbook definition of it. you have mick mulvaney telling 1,500 bankers that when he was in congress, if lobbyists came to him and they hadn't paid in advance, he wouldn't talk to them. that's extortion. he's now trying to get rid of the publicity on consumer complaints against wall street
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and other financial firms in the consumer financial protection bureau. and many of those companies have given him money. as a member of congress. they've given trump money as well. this is really -- it's a breathless level of deep corruption. he's putting cronies in these agencies, he's taking the federal cop off the corporate crime beat. he's making vulnerable people, consumers, workers, people in the environment, shutting down health and safety protections, revoking standards, pulling off court cases that are ready to go, protecting deception by student loan collectors navient. i've never seen anything like it, ari. this is the deepest form of corruption and shutting down of law enforcement agencies and scott pruitt is doing the same thing. >> which is saying something from you, given the many battles
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you've waged over your careers in different venues. the courts, public campaigns, electoral politics as well. what do you think are the key tools as well, if you see congress as enabling trump? is this really a time where it's only prosecutors and the law that can happen? what should people be focused on? >> several things. first of all, there's serial impeachment candidates and republicans control congress, but they are flouting the law by subverting them, not shutting down enforcement, harassing civil service investigators and raising money from the crooks they're supposed to be prosecuting and putting in jail. now, there are certain boundaries that will be exceeded. and scott pruitt is doing that. he's misspending money. he's been caught. he's got 11 investigations. so personal, he may be driven out ahead of the prosecutors. but it's really remarkable, ari,
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that people can not have the tools themselves to push these people out. these are high-level government installed crooks, and i say that clinically. they are violating their oath of office to enforce the laws of the land. >> you mean it literally not rhetorically. let me ask you about something else you have experience in. many people are talking about what would happen if trump tried to remove mueller, which could be against the law. i want to play for our viewers and have you watch, when you spoke out and helped file the lawsuit that challenged nixon's ultimately unlawful removal of a prosecutor. take a look. >> the american people are confronted with a man who has consciously authorized crimes, condoned crimes, committed crimes, covered up crimes, and now has overthrown the legal arrangement which was working to prosecute these crimes fairly
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and with due process of law. our founders did not oust king george iii in order for us to suffer king richard. >> in order for us to suffer king richard. you won that case. the precedent is nader v. bork. do you think it would apply and protect bob mueller against donald trump trying to remove him? >> i think it would. first of all, there's a precedent. second of all, unless he has something nefarious on mr. mueller, which doesn't seem to be the case, so he can't fire him for cause. that would be essentially a playbook, a replay of the nixon situation. but don't think he's not going to do that. i think it's perfectly possible that what he would do, because the attorney general sessions has recused himself. so he's no longer of use in the mueller investigation to donald trump. if if he's cornered with a subpoena and he doesn't want to answer the subpoena and he doesn't want to testify under
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oath, in deposition, that he fires sessions, rosen, the number two guy, and mueller, and puts in giuliani as attorney general. if you think that's outlandish -- >> you think that a grand jury subpoena would push trump over the edge and he would take the person that is supposed to defend him against this probe and try to put him in charge of the whole thing? >> he's quite capable of doing that, because the alternative is worse in his mind. and it will create a constitutional crisis if he doesn't obey a subpoena and there will be an uproar in congress, but the elections are coming up. the republicans control congress. they're worried about their own re-election. so he will be left with just the donald trump usurpation of power. that's going to be a big power. >> fascinating coming from you, because as i mentioned, you have so much experience in this, both in court and in these type of public opinion battles. and clearly the trump administration and rudy giuliani are trying to do what they think
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will help them in public opinion, or at least on their side of the ledger. i also have to ask you about third-party politics, which you have been inside of. take a look, first at some of the past assessments of your role back in the day. >> nader could hurt gore in several key battleground states. democrats have tried to make the case that a vote for nader is really a vote for bush. in some democratic circles he's being tagged a spoiler. >> al gore would be president elect if ralph nader's name were not on the ballot. >> we're not just here to relive history. i wonder given the experience, your view of the jill stein component. we had a close race in 2016 and we're putting up on the screen her margin of votes. higher than donald trump's margin in key states that trump
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won. do you think that was a factor in trump's victory and that the left or the resistance, or whatever you want to call it -- have to be careful about uniting going forward? >> that's nonsense. political scapegoating by the democratic party. and the shenanigans in florida, and the 5-4 decision by the supreme court and gore losing his home state of tennessee, they blamed the green party and me for that, giving these delusions of grandeur. all people have an equal right to run for election. and running for election is the full use of the first amendment. speech, petition the government, assembly. and if you tell a third-party not to run or to get out of the race, you're telling them to shut up and i -- >> i would try to debate you, but you're a very good debater, so i have to be careful. but it would seem that you're trying to move it to a first amendment claim and say the
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government would be sanctioning this. no one's suggesting that. i'm asking you whether the democrats and the resistance which is probably broader than the actual identified membership of the democratic party would be wise to unite against donald trump or should jil stein and other figures run again next time? >> i think the democrat party should have a living wage, full medicare for all. one of the things that you'd expect to do. they have the third-party help them. democracy is only democracy if it has competitive, contested election, not a two-party system dialing for the same corporate dollars. it's a first amendment. that's where the political bigotry comes in. but you're right, 300,000 democrats in florida in 2000 voted for bush. you'll blame the green party for that? the secretary of state and jeb bush shenanigans, you know all about that with the ballot. you gonna blame the green party for that criminality? that's why i call it political
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bigotry. democratic party, stop scapegoating, look in the mirror and ask yourself why you cannot landslide. the worst, the most corporate indentured, the cruellest republican party in history, look in the mirror. >> well put. i wouldn't want to have to battle you in court, but i appreciate you coming by "the beat," sir. >> thank you, ari, pride of cornell law school. >> thank you, sir. ralph nader. now coming up, what was donald trump even getting at when he invoked tv ratings instead of discussing the humanity of those freed hostages.
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. early this morning, donald trump was involved in a good thing that he turned into a really weird thing, depending on your view, maybe a bad thing and a kind of reality show. trump was greeting three american hostages freed from
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north korea and then said this. >> i think you probably broke the all-time in history television rating for 3:00 in the morning, that i would say. >> come on. we call that not sticking the landing. donald trump standing next to three people who literally, let's be real about what they were going through, literally didn't know if they'd ever get home again, and if they would live through their ordeal. and he turned it immediately to tv ratings. this is, of course, as everyone has said, a reality tv presidency and ratings appear to be part of how he measures his job. >> i was on 60 minutes the other night and they got the highest ratings they have had in a long time. >> i do get good ratings, you have to admit that. >> i love ratings. these other candidates, why do you always talk about ratings? because i'm number one. >> for this special discussion, i want to turn now to a media innovator and self-described
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member of the resistance, michael her shorn. he created the concept of celebrity reality tv and created "flavor of love," "i love the '80s" and "celebrity rehab." he also writes for "the atlantic." who knew that would be so crucial. what do you see donald trump doing there and thinking there as a leader and as a wannabe reality tv character? >> so in my old vh1 days, they would have called him a thirsty bit-i-t-c-h b-i-t-c-h. >> wow. >> just a little bit try-hard. and i think a really smart producer would not actually describe what he's doing. he would just accept the ratings and move on. so i find there's a little slippage in trump's reality tv. >> slippage? the mask is dropping and he's speaking back stage as he would about the ratings instead of doing the thing that is supposed
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to deliver the ratings? >> right. it's the classic trump administration malevolence tempered by incompetence, so that we hope will save us. >> when you see that he's thirsty, should a president be thirsty? >> well, i think his thirstyness and his reality tv approach to presidenting could have really significant real-world implications. right? i think he's potentially undermining his position vis-a-vis north korea. he's undermined his position vis-a-vis the entire world by pulling out of the iran deal. so we're heading to the point now finally where these types of theatrics are starting to really have a significant impact. >> and it goes to the mentality. here's randal pinket, who was an "apprentice" winner on how trump looks at the world on a daily basis? -- basis. >> he had a stack of magazines on his desk, each with a post-it
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notes. each post-it note was placed to an article about donald. that donald was basically reading about himself. >> do human beings in reality shows lose their grasp on where the show ends? >> often. there's nothing more tragic than a reality star. i think he did pretty well becoming president, but it still doesn't mean the story could end very badly. one of the things that reality talent that we've worked with, they lose sight of the distinction between reality and fantasy. he may have gotten one over on the public and also on himself and not really understanding what's happening around him. it's just pure, all enveloping narcissism. >> is it possible he has the wrong definition of the job, so he's measuring it by the old job? like a candidate who looks at polls and say, if you're in the office, it's not about polls anymore, it's about the work and the public interest and maybe what the history books will say,
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whether he did a good job. >> he's either going to get swallowed by that, or he's going to change the rule book. >> right. >> so it's entirely possible that he's understood something about the popular psyche that the rest of us didn't believe was possible. >> michael hershorn, a deep thinker, who's never thirsty. thank you for being here. we'll be right back. (slow jazz music) ♪ fly me to the moon ♪ and let me play (bell ring) you wouldn't accept from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase.
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that does it for "the beat." i will be filling in for rachel maddow at 9:00 p.m. eastern tonight. s so see you then. but first it's "hardball" with chris matthews. >> deeper into russia, let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington tonight. we learn of deepening ties between trump fixer michael cohen and russia. the more those ties raise questions about donald trump's possible connections through cohen to the kremlin, the more they show why the russians would use cohen to deal with trump. the fact is that michael cohen was advertising himself as the man who see if you want to reach the new

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